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[Butcher Orgg(s)]

By sucks, I didn't mean that it was weak. I have no predjudice agaisnt weak cards. I meant the card was stupid and badly designed.

[Maraxus of Keld]

Other than awful art, I don't really see how it's badly designed. Sure, Witch Hunter has two abilities that are off-color for blue, but in a way it does make sense.
The creature bounce can be explained by the creature hiding from the witch hunter that's trying to persecute them (there's probably a better explanation but that's all I can think of at the moment). As far as damaging the player, I can't think of a flavor justification at the moment. But it needed to have a second ability.

And Witch Hunter is hardly the only off-color card out there. What about:
Psionic Blast
Erosion
Resurrection
Mind Bomb
off the top of my head.

And according to WotC's convoluted logic, Prodigal Sorcerer, Rootwater Hunter, and Zuran Spellcaster are now off-color as well.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

Ummm... Do we really want to make a set that shows we're afraid of change, and are so totally stubborn we're clinging to The Dark's colour pie?!?

[Maraxus of Keld]

Butcher said:

Ummm... Do we really want to make a set that shows we're afraid of change, and are so totally stubborn we're clinging to The Dark's colour pie?!?

At the time of The Dark they really hadn't even developed the idea of a color pie very much. I'm not suggesting we stick to the color pie of any given era. I'm suggesting we take the one WotC uses now and push things a bit. Regardless of whether you like the design of cards like Witch Hunter, it's an example of what I mean.

To offer a more modern (and perhaps better) example, how about Browbeat? If offers the opponent two choices: take 5 damage (that's red in a nutshell) or let me draw 3 cards (that's blue's province). It's a red card draw spell. Stuff like that is what I'm talking about.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

Yes, but Browbeat does it in a red way. Witch Hunter does nothing white at all.

[Maraxus of Keld]

It does include an element of red with the damage, but it still takes an exclusively blue effect (cheap card drawing) and puts it in an enemy color.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

But the idea of coercing your opponent like that is very red too. Black kind of as well. Whereas white has nothing to do with ANY of Witch Hunter's effects. That's all I'm saying.

[Maraxus of Keld]

It's more of a case where flavor outweighed the color wheel. On the other hand, sometimes they shift abilities to another color arbitrarily. Like all of a sudden white is now the stasis color, rather than blue. Take a look at Yosei, the Morning Star. That is a blue creature with some identity confusion, I say.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

lol.

However, Witch Hunter isn't really flavourful. I mean, bounce is sorta flavorful, but pinging a player?

[Maraxus of Keld]

So anyway, moving on.

Votes for color wheel shift:

me
Volrath
chainer
thekadar81 (doesn't really count because he hasn't been around in a long time)

Against:

Butcher Orgg(s)

Baron Sengir seems to be either on the fence or doesn't care. I'm afraid you got outvoted on this one, but I think we can keep it as a fairly small theme as a concession. It will increase from one set to the next, but we don't have to throw it completely out of whack. I'd suggest working most heavily on the first set if you don't want to work with the color wheel shift idea.


I was going to go start a thread for actual card creation, but I think another mechanic or two first would be a good idea. We still could use a mechanic that goes on non-creature cards, and some mechanics that could be diverse enough to go beyond just one set.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

Got one.

Prescence: X--Y (If condition X exists on the field as you play this spell, activate Y effect.)

Example:

Sober Ecstacy 1WW
Instant
Prescence: If you control a creature with toughness five or more--Creatures you control gain Vigilance until end of turn.
Creatures you control get +0/+4.

[Maraxus of Keld]

I replied to the mechanic where you posted it in the other thread.

[Baron Sengir]

I'm afraid I don't have the time to partake in this as well as everything else. My teachers have recently dumped a bunch of crap on us, so time isn't as plentiful.

[Butcher Orgg(s)]

Thassokay, Sengir, I forgive you... THIS TIME! BWA HA HA HA HA!

[Maraxus of Keld]

Just disappear for awhile and come back when and if you have time, or once we start actual card creation, just pop in whenever an idea comes to you.