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Post by House Turtle on Jan 10, 2012 12:56:28 GMT -6
Wizards really screwed up here then. They messed up their own graveborn deck. If Akroma can't be targeted by black spells what about the craptastic Inkwell Leviathan. It's got shroud and it comes standard in the deck. The latest reminder text for Shroud reads "This creature can't be the target of spells or abilities." |
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Post by House Turtle on Jan 10, 2012 13:08:47 GMT -6
Guess things like Exhume still work since nothing needs to attatch to either creature. Sheoldred still works as well.
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Post by Baron Sengir on Jan 10, 2012 14:41:03 GMT -6
You can still animate dead inkwell. Basically if you played animate dead and attached it to Akroma, she would come in, but once animate dead attached to her she would immediately become un-attached because she is pro-black. So then she would go back into the graveyard and animate dead as well, since it is no longer attached/targeting anything.
Oh, Shroud only works when the creature is in the battlefield.
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Post by House Turtle on Jan 10, 2012 14:49:14 GMT -6
An ability that still works in a graveyard should apply to all abilities. Shroud prevents targeting I fail to see how its any different than pro black. I thought the idea that once Akroma hit the battlefield her pro black would null the animate dead. One could say the same for Inkwell Leviathan. As cards in the graveyard unless they have graveyard abilities like Anger or Filth they just sat there. From what I read as so long as it dosen't involve an enchantment the pro black dosen't apply to things like Exhume. If it still does I have no idea since one person says one thing and another says something else and trying to find an official answer on the wizards site is impossible.
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Post by Baron Sengir on Jan 10, 2012 15:35:01 GMT -6
This is what a level 3 judge told me on a forum:
Shroud only prevents targeting and only when the card is on the battlefield. (So this is why Inkwell Leviathan is ok)
Protection, in addition to preventing targeting, also causes any attached object(like an aura such as Animate Undead) with the protected quality to 'fall off'. So the Animate Dead would fall off of Akroma and she would go back to the graveyard.
Put another way:
Protection only functions on the battlefield.
What happens is as follows:
Player Casts Animate Dead targeting Akroma in the graveyard.
Animate Dead Enters the Battlefield and attaches to Akroma.
The trigger resolves changing the Enchant ability of Animate Dead and returning Akroma to the battlefield.
State-based Actions are checked and the game sees a Black aura attached to a Creature with Protection from Black. This causes the Animate Dead to be placed in its owner's Graveyard and Akroma to be sacrificed from the resulting triggered ability.
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Post by Baron Sengir on Jan 10, 2012 15:47:57 GMT -6
An ability that still works in a graveyard should apply to all abilities. Shroud prevents targeting I fail to see how its any different than pro black. I thought the idea that once Akroma hit the battlefield her pro black would null the animate dead. One could say the same for Inkwell Leviathan. Yeah your right. You can target a creature with shroud and pro black that are in the graveyard, but the thing with animate dead is that it's a black enchantment/aura that is keeping the creature in play. So if the creature is pro black, that black aura/enchantment falls off, which means in the case of animate dead the creature dies. |
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Post by Baron Sengir on Mar 2, 2012 9:50:23 GMT -6
Seeing as how no one has been showing up at the Legacy tournament at Pastimes and I really don't care for the Legacy player environment much anyway, I may replace some cards in this deck to make it a little more casual friendly and swap in some different creatures that aren't so nasty; for example, I won't be keeping all 3 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augurs in the deck, and maybe none at all. Seeing as how my current Vintage deck uses the Force of Will's I'll probably replace those as well with something like a simple Counterspell or Mana Leaks even though this isn't the deck that typically has free mana to spend on counter spells, for a casual game it should be ok. |
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Post by House Turtle on Mar 2, 2012 21:31:00 GMT -6
Yeah that decks pretty brutal otherwise. Shame the Legacy tournaments didn't work out too well. Probably for the best this way because at least there's the monthly Vintage tournament and with that place being so proxy friendly it wouldn't be too hard to try to compete there.
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Post by Baron Sengir on Mar 3, 2012 14:20:13 GMT -6
Yeah and though the players their are competitive they aren't assholes and most are older people so the mature level is much higher.
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Post by House Turtle on Mar 3, 2012 16:27:17 GMT -6
That helps its why for all the hanging out at Astro City I never played anyone else.
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Post by Baron Sengir on Mar 4, 2012 12:50:50 GMT -6
Yeah same with me.
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