Article on Vintage Being too Fast?

[Baron Sengir]

If you are bored here is an article I liked discussing Vintage as it currently is and debating if its too fast right now.

www.eternal-central.com/?p=2333

I really like Stephen's articles and I have to agree with him that Vintage is not too fast right now and has a lot of cool decks. Plus with cards like Grafdigger's Cage on the way we will probably see even more creative decks coming; especially decks revolving around creatures, which has never happened before.

I also have to agree with Stephen when he says the average Vintage game takes 5.5 turns. In the tournaments I have been in I have yet to see or hear of a turn 1 win. If my Oath deck goes off uninterrupted I can pretty much take the game in turn two or three, but in a competitive Vintage game my opponent almost always has counters ready against my Oath of Druids, so this almost never happens.

[House Turtle]

Yeah you destroyed and humiliated us with it but in all faiiness It was a one sided fight. I imagine a well prepared opponent wouldn't fall so easily. I've ever only heard of theory first turn wins with a perfect hand. I've never really dug into it so I've never seen or heard its happened.

[Baron Sengir]

Yeah I mean in theory my deck could do it but its extremely unlikely and any counterspells wouls prevent it.

[House Turtle]

From what I seen the other day vintage isn't all that fast. when they give you 50 minutes for 3 games and in some cases time really does run out that really lays to rest the myth of the 1 turn kill. Now a vintage deck against a casual deck that is quite another story.

[Baron Sengir]

Yeah that is definitely true. The one game I played against a Mishra's Workshop deck we ran out of time, but before the 5 turns ran out after time was called I was able to win the match. I was actually a little worried it would have come down to a draw.