Triggered Abilities Order

[House Turtle]

Ok here's a kind of complicated one. I reworked my landless deck and I can even get away mox free. I was able to eliminate the Chrome Mox and make it work ok. Since I seek to punish my opponent for having land and even destroy land as a last minute thought I thought of adding Kudzu Now my question is I also want to add Storm Cauldron to really make use of Ankh of Mishra So when the land becomes tapped does Kudzu destroy it or does it get bounced thanks to Storm Cauldron?

[Baron Sengir]

I'm like 95% sure that Kudzo would destroy the land before Storm Cauldron could bounce it. Found this under Storm Cauldron's Errata:
"10/4/2004 If a land is tapped for mana and sacrificed all in one action, it goes to the graveyard before the Cauldron can return it to the player's hand."

[House Turtle]

Good to know because in some cases it depends on what is in play first. Like with the praetor that reduces hand size its ability is canceled out by something like Spellbook if it comes into play after the creature. Same thing happens with Mystic Decree and an ability to grant flying.

[Maraxus of Keld]

Mar 2, 2012 12:52:40 GMT -6 Baron Sengir said:

I'm like 95% sure that Kudzo would destroy the land before Storm Cauldron could bounce it. Found this under Storm Cauldron's Errata:
"10/4/2004 If a land is tapped for mana and sacrificed all in one action, it goes to the graveyard before the Cauldron can return it to the player's hand."

I'm not sure this clause applies. Kudzu destroys the land, it does not cause you to sacrifice it.

[Baron Sengir]

Here is some more errata on Kudzu:
10/4/2004: You can move it to any other player's land whenever you get to move it.
8/1/2005: If Kudzu is destroyed directly, or the land is destroyed by a spell or ability, then Kudzu goes to the graveyard like any Aura would.
4/1/2008: The controller of the destroyed land must attach it to another land if possible. If there are no valid choices, Kudzu is simply put into the graveyard.
4/1/2008: Because the ability isn't targeted, the controller of the destroyed land may attach it to a land that can't be the target of abilities.

What it comes down to is that since he will control both Kudzu and Cauldron, he can choose which order their abilities resolve by deciding when to put which on the stack. If you stack the Storm Cauldron on top, then the land will return to its owner's hand and the Kudzu will be put into the graveyard by SBEs before it's trigger resolves. If you stack them in the other order, then the land will be destroyed and the Kudzu will move first. Then when the Cauldron tries to resolve, the land is no longer in play so it will do nothing.

If you were looking to return the land to your hand with Storm Cauldron but still keep the Kudzu in play, that doesn't work. If you resolve the Kudzu's ability first, then the land will be destroyed and can no longer be returned to your hand (because it's not in play). If you resolve the Cauldron first, then SBEs will check after it resolves and see the Kudzu in play attached to nothing, so they will immediately send it to the graveyard (and it won't be able to move around when the ability resolves because it's no longer in play).