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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 8, 2004 22:51:31 GMT -6
So what existing creature types should we include? Post as many or as few as you want, as well as ones you think we should steer clear of. We'll probably want to create a new type or two as well.
Here are some basic ones I figure we'll probably want to work in:
White: Angels, Soldiers, Clerics, maybe Birds?
Blue: Wizards, Birds, Merfolk?
Black: Demons, Zombies, Imps, Bats?, Vampires?
Red: Goblins, Barbarians?
Green: Beasts, Elves, Druids
I'm sure there will be more.
Ones I think we should stay away from, and why:
Anything block or world specific, such as Cephalids, Myr, etc. because they are specific to those certain worlds and flavor-wise it just wouldn't make sense.
Slivers because they're controversial - everyone either loves them or hates them. And several of the people who expressed interest in working on this project are among the haters. Besides, I don't think we can come up with enough practical ones to make it work.
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Post by thekadar81 on Sept 9, 2004 13:11:25 GMT -6
I was thinking about the project and how we talked about before making i a set that breaks some of the rules as to what each color is supposed to do ( Witch Hunter, Mind Bomb). Along those lines we could use some of the less supported races. I favor trolls over elves for green, merfolk over wizards for blue, imps or minions over zombies for black, orcs over goblins for red (also we should reprint Kobolds of Kher Kep). Finally white, which has an abundance of common creature types (soldiers, spirits, clerics have all been done a lot lately) so I suggest breaking the "no angels smaller than 4/4 rule and making thata theme, or make a bunch of white rogues (i think this fits well with the white weenie theme).
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Post by Volrath, the Fallen on Sept 9, 2004 14:22:58 GMT -6
white rogues haven't been done since back in Lin Sivvi's days (what happened to the card things on the side of the response page?). I think it would be a great idea. Black could also throw in Nightmares and Horrors, although we'd need a new explanation for how nightmares are coming about (since dementia summoners were a cabal thing) |
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Post by Volrath, the Fallen on Sept 9, 2004 14:41:13 GMT -6
ok, the card link thingys are in every board but this, so i'll see if i can take care of that
*edit* ok, its taken care of.
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Post by Volrath, the Fallen on Sept 9, 2004 14:47:32 GMT -6
ugh, 3 posts in a row, sorry. I have another idea. We could take an old creature that was popular and turn it into a creature type (i.e. Lhurgoyf is the type for Mortivore along with 3-4 others) |
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 9, 2004 16:02:59 GMT -6
Yay! Time for some new Will-o-the-Wisps and Uncle Istvans!
Seriously though, I think using some less common creature types is a good idea. I was going to push heavily for merfolk, as I never bought the argument that they were out of flavor (it's freakin FISH MEN! How is that not blue?!)
On a related note, we could screw the color wheel a bit more by pushing a couple standard creature types out of their traditional color.... such as a goblin that isn't red or an elf that isn't green.
And I wholeheartedly support a weenie angel!
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Post by chainer on Sept 9, 2004 16:18:01 GMT -6
red:bring on the giants!!!
blue:merfolk bad. avens good, unless its a world thing
white: angels/ soldiers rule!
green: fear the wurms because they will crush you
black: nightmares and horrors, we could say that a evil wizard brought them into the world by opening a dementinal gate, because everybody knows that when something goes wrong a wizard did it.
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Post by Volrath, the Fallen on Sept 9, 2004 16:33:14 GMT -6
oh yes, we need more Wurms. I'VE GOT WURMS!!!!!!!! but not enough of them. we need more......
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 12, 2004 20:43:20 GMT -6
Thanks to the Mistform Ultimus Watch, I have a comprehensive list of every creature type in Magic to date. Here they are. We can use this to decide how many existing types we want to use in our set(s): Abomination Aboroth Advisor Aladdin Albatross Alchemist Ali-Baba Ali-from-Cairo Alligator Ambush-Party Ancestor Angel Ant Antelope Ape Archaeologist Archer Artificer Asp Assassin Assembly-Worker Atog Aurochs Avatar Avenger Avizoa Badger Ball-Lightning Bandit Banshee Barbarian Barishi Basilisk Bat Bear Beast Bee Beeble Behemoth Being Berserker Bird Blinkmoth Boar Bodyguard Bringer Brood Brother Brownie Brushwagg Bull Bureaucrat Butterfly Camarid Camel Caravan Caribou Carnivore Carriage Carrier Cat Cavalry Cave-People Centaur Cephalid Cheetah Chicken Chimera Citizen Clamfolk Cleric Clone Cobra Cockatrice Constable Cow Crab Crocodile Crusader Dandan Demon Dervish Deserter Devil Devouring-Deep Dinosaur Djinn Dog Doppelganger Dragon Dragonfly Drake Drill-Sergeant Drone Druid Dryad Dwarf Eater Eel Effigy Efreet Egg Elder Elemental Elephant Elf El-Hajjaj Enchantress Entity Erne Essence Exorcist Faerie Fallen Farmer Ferret Fiend Fish Flagbearer Flying-Men Force Fox Frog Frostbeast Fungus Fungusaur Gaea's-Avenger Gaea's-Liege Gargoyle Gatekeeper General Ghost Ghoul Giant Gnome Goat Goblin Golem Gorgon Graveborn Gremlin Griffin Guardian Gus Gypsy Hag Harlequin Hell's-Caretaker Heretic Hero Hipparion Hippo Homarid Hornet Horror Horse Horseman Hound Human Hunter Hydra Hyena Illusion Imp Incarnation Infernal-Denizen Inquisitor Insect Island-Fish Jackal Jellyfish Kavu Keeper Kelp King Kithkin Knight Kobold Kraken Lady-of-Proper-Etiquette Leech Legend (until Champions of Kamigawa is legal in tournaments) Legionnaire Lemure Leper Leviathan Lhurgoyf Lichenthrope Licid Lion Lizard Lord Lurker Lycanthrope Mage Maggot Maiden Mammoth Manticore Mantis Marid Martyr Master Medusa Meerkat Mercenary Merchant Merfolk Mindsucker Minion Minor Minotaur Miracle-Worker Mist Mistfolk Mob Mold-Demon Monger Mongoose Monkey Monster Mosquito Mummy Murk-Dwellers Mutant Myr Mystic Nameless-Race Narwhal Necrosavant Nekrataal Niall-Silvain Nightmare Nightstalker Noble Nomad Octopus Ogre Ooze Orb Orc Orgg Ouphe Ox Oyster Paladin Peacekeeper Pegasus Pentavite People-of-the-Woods Pest Phantasm Phelddagrif Phoenix Pig Pikemen Pincher Pirate Pixie-Queen Plant Poison-Snake Poltergeist Pony Preacher Priest Prism Pyknite Rabbit Raider Ranger Rat Rebel Reflection Rhino Robber Roc Rock-Sled Rogue Rukh Sage Salamander Sand Saproling Satyr Scavenger Scorpion Scout Serf Serpent Shade Shaman Shapeshifter Shark Sheep Ship Shyft Sindbad Singing-Tree Sister Skeleton Slith Sliver Slug Smith Snake Soldier Sorceress Spawn Speaker Specter Spellshaper Sphinx Spider Spike Spirit Sponge Sprite Spuzzem Spy Squire Squirrel Stangg-Twin Starfish Stone Strider Survivor Swarm Tactician Tarpan Taskmaster Tetravite Thief The-Biggest-Baddest-Nastiest-Scariest-Creature-You'll-Ever-See Thopter Thrull Thundermare Tiger Titan Toad Tombspawn Tortoise Townsfolk Tracker Treefolk Troll Turtle Twin Uncle-Istvan Undead Unicorn Vampire Vedalken Viashino Villain Viper Volver Vulture Walking-Dead Wall War-Rider Warrior Warthog Wasp Wave Whale Whippoorwill Wight Wiitigo Wildebeest Will-o'-the-Wisp Wirefly Witch Wizard Wolf Wolverine Wolverine-Pack Wolves-of-the-Hunt Wombat Wood Worm Wraith Wretched Wurm Yeti Zombie |
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 14, 2004 0:39:14 GMT -6
Removing types that are either associated with a single card (such as Uncle Istvan), as well as Unglued-only types (such as BFM's type), block-specific types (like Myr and Cephalid) and token-only types (Serf, Pentavite, and the like) except for Saproling, the list looks something like this below. I also removed types that are basically collapsible into other types (for example, Preacher and Priest are basically Clerics, Rhino or Camel can be classified as Beasts without much of a stretch, and such) although I left a couple of the interesting ones like Lemure and Satyr in there on purpose: Abomination Alligator Ancestor Angel Ape Archaeologist Archer Artificer Asp Assassin Atog Avatar Avenger Badger Bandit Banshee Barbarian Basilisk Bat Bear Beast Bee Beeble Behemoth Berserker Bird Boar Bodyguard Brood Brownie Bull Butterfly Caravan Carnivore Cat Centaur Cheetah Chimera Cleric Cobra Constable Crab Crocodile Crusader Demon Devil Dinosaur Djinn Dog Doppelganger Dragon Dragonfly Drake Druid Dryad Dwarf Eel Efreet Egg Elder Elemental Elephant Elf Enchantress Faerie Fiend Fish Force Fox Frog Fungus Gargoyle Ghost Ghoul Giant Gnome Goat Goblin Golem Gorgon Griffin Guardian Gypsy Hag Harlequin Heretic Hero Hippo Hornet Horror Horse Horseman Hound Human Hunter Hydra Hyena Illusion Imp Incarnation Insect Jackal Jellyfish Keeper King Knight Kobold Kraken Leech Legionnaire Lemure Leviathan Lhurgoyf Licid Lion Lizard Lord Lycanthrope Maggot Mammoth Manticore Mantis Martyr Master Mercenary Merchant Merfolk Minion Minotaur Mist Mob Mongoose Monkey Mosquito Mummy Mutant Mystic Nightmare Nightstalker Nomad Octopus Ogre Ooze Orc Orgg Ouphe Oyster Paladin Pegasus Phantasm Phelddagrif Phoenix Pirate Plant Poltergeist Pony Raider Ranger Rat Rebel Robber Roc Rogue Rukh Sage Salamander Saproling Satyr Scavenger Scorpion Scout Serpent Shade Shaman Shapeshifter Shark Ship Skeleton Sliver Slug Snake Soldier Sorceress Specter Spellshaper Sphinx Spider Spike Spirit Sponge Sprite Spy Squirrel Starfish Swarm Thief Thopter Thrull Tiger Titan Toad Tortoise Townsfolk Tracker Treefolk Troll Turtle Undead Unicorn Vampire Viashino Viper Vulture Wall Warrior Wasp Whale Wight Wildebeest Witch Wizard Wolf Wolverine Worm Wraith Wurm Yeti Zombie |
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 14, 2004 22:14:36 GMT -6
Trimmed the list down some by removing some very unlikely candidates (like Ouphes and such) and combining a few others (like Viper with Snake).
Abomination
Alligator
Angel
Ape
Archer
Assassin
Atog
Avatar
Avenger
Banshee
Barbarian
Basilisk
Bat
Bear
Beast
Behemoth
Bird
Boar
Bodyguard
Bull
Cat
Centaur
Cheetah
Chimera
Cleric
Crab
Crocodile
Demon
Devil
Dinosaur
Djinn
Dog
Doppelganger
Dragon
Dragonfly
Drake
Druid
Dryad
Dwarf
Eel
Efreet
Egg
Elder
Elemental
Elephant
Elf
Enchantress
Faerie
Fiend
Fish
Fox
Frog
Fungus
Gargoyle
Ghost
Ghoul
Giant
Gnome
Goat
Goblin
Golem
Gorgon
Griffin
Guardian
Gypsy
Hag
Horror
Horse
Hound
Human
Hunter
Hydra
Hyena
Illusion
Imp
Incarnation
Insect
Jackal
Jellyfish
Keeper
Knight
Kobold
Kraken
Leech
Legionnaire
Lemure
Leviathan
Lhurgoyf
Licid
Lion
Lizard
Lord
Lycanthrope
Maggot
Manticore
Mantis
Master
Merchant
Merfolk
Minion
Minotaur
Mist
Mob
Monkey
Mosquito
Mummy
Mutant
Nightmare
Nightstalker
Nomad
Octopus
Ogre
Ooze
Orc
Paladin
Pegasus
Phantasm
Phoenix
Pirate
Plant
Raider
Ranger
Rat
Rebel
Roc
Rogue
Rukh
Sage
Salamander
Saproling
Satyr
Scavenger
Scorpion
Scout
Shade
Shaman
Shapeshifter
Shark
Ship
Skeleton
Slug
Snake
Soldier
Sorceress
Specter
Spellshaper
Sphinx
Spider
Spirit
Sprite
Squirrel
Swarm
Thief
Tiger
Titan
Toad
Tracker
Treefolk
Troll
Turtle
Undead
Unicorn
Vampire
Wall
Warrior
Wight
Witch
Wizard
Wolf
Wolverine
Wraith
Wurm
Zombie
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Post by chainer on Sept 16, 2004 14:55:13 GMT -6
wow, thats still alot of creature types, good selection.
i still like what i put before but sicne avens are (i guess) a world thing we could use merfolk/wizards.
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Sept 16, 2004 15:52:22 GMT -6
If I ever get motivated enough, I plan to research about how many creature types Wizards includes in the average set so we can use that as a point of reference.
Um... I guess Avens are sorta a block thing, but we could use birds without a problem. They seem to like mixing animals and people. The Aven were birdmen, then in Mirrodin you have the Loxodon (elephant people) and Leonin (cat people). Now in Kamigawa there are the Kitsune (fox people), the Orochi (snake people), and Nezumi (rat people). We could invent something along those lines if we want to...
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Post by chainer on Sept 17, 2004 15:55:22 GMT -6
the kitsune wheren't made by wizards, they are a part of japaness folk lore and stuff, and i think the same goes for the other two but i dont know for sure.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Sept 17, 2004 20:55:10 GMT -6
I vote Satyr. And look at Theme.
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