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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 17, 2004 16:14:28 GMT -6
Okay, I see what you mean. But see, you aren't reading the ability carefully enough. It says:
"Ricochet (When you play a spell with ricochet, reveal the top card of your library. If it shares a color with this spell[/size], copy this[/size] spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.)"
The Ricochet spell copies itself if the next card shares a color, it doesn't copy the revealed card. That would be a whole different (but still pretty cool) ability.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 17, 2004 21:19:36 GMT -6
YOU don't get it. It'll copy itself, right? Then, the copy reveals a card. That card is the same one that just got flipped-so one gets another copy. And so proceed ad infinitum.
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 17, 2004 22:35:53 GMT -6
Which is one reason I suggested milling the card as a possibility rather than just revealing it. It's either that or have the copy not have the Ricochet ability, which will require some extra explanation, like "only one copy may be made of this spell" or something like that.
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Post by Volrath, the Fallen on Nov 17, 2004 22:36:47 GMT -6
ah, ok. i read it wrong.....
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 18, 2004 20:03:11 GMT -6
I forgive you.
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 18, 2004 20:11:13 GMT -6
So, there are two possible versions:
mill the card and repeat: "Ricochet (When you play this spell, put the top card of your library into your graveyard. If it shares a color with this spell, copy this spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.)"
reveal the first card and stop: "Ricochet (When you play this spell, reveal the top card of your library. If it shares a color with this spell, copy this spell. You may choose new targets for the copy. The copy does not possess the Ricochet ability.)"
I prefer the second, although the wording is a little awkward.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 18, 2004 20:12:58 GMT -6
You missed my option, the one I mentioned. I'm hurt.
It takes away the inelegance of the second, without the broken thresholding of the first.
It puts the revealed card on the bottom of your library.
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 18, 2004 20:16:31 GMT -6
That would be better than milling the card for sure. It reduces the chances of instant threshold, stops you from decking yourself (though if you keep a card with this ability going for that long it's probably about to win you the game), and it also prevents these cards from being a set-up for reanimation spells. My worry about multiple ricochets is that it can become too similar to the Storm ability. Sure, it counts differently (constantly looking at the next card rather than counting spells played this turn), but a lot of the spells would end up being similar. You'd have your damage one, which would probably be 2 damage each time, that'd be red (and killer in a mono-red burn deck). There'd be the blue one that draws a card (running the risk of acting like another Mind's Desire), etc. It's definitely something to watch out for.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 18, 2004 20:21:02 GMT -6
Your points are all valid.
Let's find someone to give their opinion.
Milling is out, yah?
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 18, 2004 20:26:21 GMT -6
Milling is out. Since we don't seem to be making the graveyard too important in this set with Threshold or anything, there's no reason not to go for the better option. Although we probably will make a blue card that mills one or two cards with the Ricochet ability. Kinda the Ricochet equivalent of Brain Freeze.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 18, 2004 20:36:29 GMT -6
That sounds good. I think we still need to try to get one more good mechanic. Are you and I the only frequent posters?
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 18, 2004 20:38:01 GMT -6
At the moment. Volrath is on often enough, just not right now (while you and I seem to be on a posting frenzy).
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 20, 2004 15:28:23 GMT -6
Ah well. Such is life.
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Post by Maraxus of Keld on Nov 24, 2004 1:21:34 GMT -6
However, you and I are definitely the only ones pumping out mechanics.
Yeah, we need one more. Preferably one that's broad enough to easily work across all 3 sets. And I wouldn't mind bringing back one old one to round out the block.
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Post by Butcher Orgg(s) on Nov 24, 2004 14:03:28 GMT -6
Motion seconded, and since noone else is listening, I think we can safely say passed.
So, what to resurrect?
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